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Double Volute vs Single Volute

norzul

(Mechanical)

(OP)

19 Dec 05 17:28

Hi Guys,

We plan to install 3 circulating cooling water pump (from cooling tower) for our cogen project.

Initial Spec

1) m3/hr
2) 47m
3) Double volute
4) 740 rpm
5) 680 kW

However, due to process optimization, the head was reduced to 36m. Because of this the supplier requested changes from double volute to single volute.

Is this a genuine request...??? What are the pros/cons of double vs single volute?

Thank you in advance for your response

norzul

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Artisi

(Mechanical)

19 Dec 05 20:16
You may find that in a pump of this size, some of the manufacturers will have double volute design as standard as the pump has been designed for a higher duty ie, designed to operate at 960 rpm (50hz) or rpm (60hz).
For this duty there doesn't seem to be any advantage / disadvantage in either single or double volute. The main concern would be efficiency, reliabilty and capital costs.
  

generally double volute pumps are designed to reduced radial load on the impeller, this means smaller diameter shafts and bearings.You may find that in a pump of this size, some of the manufacturers will have double volute design as standard as the pump has been designed for a higher duty ie, designed to operate at 960 rpm (50hz) or rpm (60hz).For this duty there doesn't seem to be any advantage / disadvantage in either single or double volute. The main concern would be efficiency, reliabilty and capital costs.

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Phitsanulok
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RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

checman

(Mechanical)

20 Dec 05 10:43

I would agree with Artisi especially on the efficiency. A small change in efficiency can add up to big dollars on large pumps that run often. I would also like to add that it could lower the cost for the supplier to manufacture the pumps substantially. With the double volute you have lower shaft deflection which normally means lower vibration. This is especially true if you are running with a VFD or throttling through a control valve. My thoughts would be to get what they quoted unless money is an issue and they offer large savings that would not be offset by higher operating cost because of lower efficiency.

Regards checman

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

stanier

(Mechanical)

20 Dec 05 17:25

Too mnay D&C contractors go for lowest capital cost and leave the owner with the burden of cost for the life of the pump.

I agree with the previous postings. you need to do a whole of life cycle costing. The capital cost of the pump only represents 12-15% of the whole of life cost.Too mnay D&C contractors go for lowest capital cost and leave the owner with the burden of cost for the life of the pump.

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

scalleke

(Mechanical)

18 Jan 06 14:52

What will be the system resistive curve and what will be the new pump performance curve.

You have the advantage of knowing the system perfectly well and this seems to me an opportunity to make sure that you get a pump that is perfectly suited to your system.

Yes, single volutes have more radial load on the shaft but the advantage is that the load is very predictable.  We may not like radial loads but hey, bearing technology is very well devellopped.

A dual volute is basically two pumps in one casing.  At one point or another depending on the design and on the machining quality and precision one of these pumps will shut off the other and radial loads will become unpredictable.

However, if your operation point is well known you will be able to stay out of troublesome operation area's regardless of the type of design.

Best regards.

Scalleke

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

PUMPDESIGNER

(Mechanical)

18 Jan 06 15:25
I will add that the radial thrust problem is extremely important unless the pump operates continuously at or near the BEP .

A double volute scroll pump has almost no radial thrust at any point on the curve, from zero flow all the way out to well beyond the BEP.  In other words, the double volute pump has little or no radial thrust reaction to operation above or below BEP.

But a single volute pump has a very pronounced radial thrust reaction when operated off BEP.  If the bearings and shaft are insufficient to withstand the thrust, bearing and shaft life are shortened.

Many, perhaps even most manufacturers have stopped making the double volutes in the smaller sizes, Goulds being one of them.  I and others have suffered trying to find double volute scroll pumps.  I personally have given up and have gone to concentric, modified concentric, and turbine pumps instead. Your vendor may not be able to easily find a double volute in the size pump you need.

If that pump is forced to operate well off BEP for any length of time, I would strongly recommend you not accept a single volute pump.

Lastly, it is sad, but many manufacturers feel as though double volute is unnecessary in the smaller sizes, but they are wrong, even small pumps have serious problems with radial thrust.

This is a great forum, the guys have many excellent comments.I will add that the radial thrust problem is extremely important unless the pump operates continuously at or near the BEP .A double volute scroll pump has almost no radial thrust at any point on the curve, from zero flow all the way out to well beyond the BEP. In other words, the double volute pump has little or no radial thrust reaction to operation above or below BEP.But a single volute pump has a very pronounced radial thrust reaction when operated off BEP. If the bearings and shaft are insufficient to withstand the thrust, bearing and shaft life are shortened.Many, perhaps even most manufacturers have stopped making the double volutes in the smaller sizes, Goulds being one of them. I and others have suffered trying to find double volute scroll pumps. I personally have given up and have gone to concentric, modified concentric, and turbine pumps instead. Your vendor may not be able to easily find a double volute in the size pump you need.If that pump is forced to operate well off BEP for any length of time, I would strongly recommend you not accept a single volute pump.Lastly, it is sad, but many manufacturers feel as though double volute is unnecessary in the smaller sizes, but they are wrong, even small pumps have serious problems with radial thrust.

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RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

macmil

(Mechanical)

19 Jan 06 13:52

I agree with all the above;  one point to consider if you are forced to a single volute design ( it works for double volute also ) is that some pump manufacturers offer a larger diameter shaft and bearings for a relatively small extra cost.  Another option is to check the shaft material and go for a better alloy, though this doesn't do much for the bearings. Again, the cost increase should be minor, and insignificant compared with the headache of a sudden broken shaft !

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Bjegovic

(Mechanical)

20 Jan 06 04:35

besides all mentioned above, double volute pumps are more sensitive to uneven inflow pattern, so you need to completely straighten the flow; while single volute pumps can better stand uneven inflow .  

double volute is basically two pumps, but connected IN PARALLEL, which affects the shape of the curve

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

PUMPDESIGNER

(Mechanical)

20 Jan 06 17:32
I have never heard that comment about intake on a double volute pump.
Do you have an explanation or reference?
I will examine this myself, but would appreciate any info you have.

BjegovicI have never heard that comment about intake on a double volute pump.Do you have an explanation or reference?I will examine this myself, but would appreciate any info you have.

PUMPDESIGNER

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Bjegovic

(Mechanical)

23 Jan 06 06:16

I will try to find out how I got that information, and provide the reference. I had a similar double vs single volute problem a long time ago and i remember this as an argument against double volute pumps, but don't remember the source....

 

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Artisi

(Mechanical)

23 Jan 06 21:23
besides all mentioned above, double volute pumps are more sensitive to uneven inflow pattern, so you need to completely straighten the flow; while single volute pumps can better stand uneven inflow .  

double volute is basically two pumps, but connected IN PARALLEL, which affects the shape of the curve "

Is this reference to double volute pumps or double suction pumps as they are different animals.

"Bjegovic (Mechanical)besides all mentioned above, double volute pumps are more sensitive to uneven inflow pattern, so you need to completely straighten the flow; while single volute pumps can better stand uneven inflow .double volute is basically two pumps, but connected IN PARALLEL, which affects the shape of the curve "Is this reference to double volute pumps or double suction pumps as they are different animals.

Naresuan University
Phitsanulok
Thailand

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Artisi

(Mechanical)

23 Jan 06 22:29

The following has been posted there for comment.

My understanding is and I would welcome other comments:
1. A double suction pump is usually an axially split case unit with a single inlet dividing into 2 branches to a single double suction impeller, ie, flow to both sides of the impeller.
2. A double volute pump is one in which there are 2 outlets diametrically opposed to each other in a single casing which discharge into a single outlet branch.
3. A double suction pump can be either double volute or  single volute design.
4. A single suction pump could be either double volute or single volute design.  
5. A unit with more than 1 volute would be designated a multi stage pump.

There seems to be some confusion as to double volute and double suction impeller pumps in this thread and one other currently active thread 407-.The following has been posted there for comment.My understanding is and I would welcome other comments:1. A double suction pump is usually an axially split case unit with a single inlet dividing into 2 branches to a single double suction impeller, ie, flow to both sides of the impeller.2. A double volute pump is one in which there are 2 outlets diametrically opposed to each other in a single casing which discharge into a single outlet branch.3. A double suction pump can be either double volute or single volute design.4. A single suction pump could be either double volute or single volute design.5. A unit with more than 1 volute would be designated a multi stage pump.

Naresuan University
Phitsanulok
Thailand

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Bjegovic

(Mechanical)

25 Jan 06 09:24

I am sorry that my posts (both here and in thread 407-) were confusing since I was reffernig to double suction pumps.

sorry again!

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Bjegovic

(Mechanical)

27 Jan 06 05:30

@ PUMPDESIGNER: as I was mistaking and  referring my post to double suction pumps ; the explanation would be that uneven flow distribution can create axial disbalance which bearings are not designed for, leading to premature failure. (assumption is that in normal conditions double suction pumps have no axial load on the shaft)

as I can remember, this was an experience and an advice of my senior collegue which I heard a long time ago while we were discussing pump selection for a huge WTP; and this is the only reasonable explanation I can offer with my limited knowledge.  

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Artisi

(Mechanical)

28 Jan 06 00:02

It is possible under some adverse inlet flow conditions for the flow to each side of the impeller to be unbalanced, this can result in uneven loading on the bearings, although I would think the condition would have to be extreme to cause any major bearing problems but it would depend entirely on the bearing configuration.

Bjegovic (Mechanical)It is possible under some adverse inlet flow conditions for the flow to each side of the impeller to be unbalanced, this can result in uneven loading on the bearings, although I would think the condition would have to be extreme to cause any major bearing problems but it would depend entirely on the bearing configuration.

Naresuan University
Phitsanulok
Thailand

RE: Double Volute vs Single Volute

Enkidu

(Mechanical)

13 May 06 15:14

wow - lot's of good stuff here.
A couple of comments to add to the mix.

Going back to the original question, I would suggest that there is nothing wrong with a single volute pump, provided the mechanical design of the bearing housing assembly is based on the single volute.  It probably won't help at this late date, however, I would be inclined to ask what the expected shaft deflection at the seal and impeller are going to be, and what k factor the deflection was based on.  Accepted standard seems to be less than 0.002" at the seal - look at wear ring clearances at the impeller before you decide if deflection at the impeller is an issue.
Hydraulic Institute has some guidelines for k factors.  Not all manufacturer's follow them.  The only down side to the single volute is typically a larger shaft diameter and a larger (and more expensive) seal.

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Coupling Hub &#; A coupling hub adapts the pump shaft to the coupling. Usually this is a disc coupling or a gear coupling rated for high speeds.

Input Shaft &#; The pump shaft runs the length of the entire pump and is what all the impellers are attached to, as well as the coupling hub. The entire rotating assembly is suspended between the drive end and the non-drive end bearings.

Radial Bearings &#; Radial bearings support the pump shaft radially. In this case, the bearings are axially split sleeve bearings.

Thrust Bearing &#; Thrust bearings support the pump shaft axially. Although this pump is primarily hydraulically balanced, there are still axial forces as the pump operates at different speeds and pressures. In this case, the thrust bearing is a set of ball bearings. In some cases, a pivot shoe bearing (sometimes referred to as a tilt shoe bearing), such as a Kingsbury Thrust Bearing, is used.

Drive End Bearing Housing &#; This bearing housing supports the radial bearing closest to the coupling hub on the drive end of the pump.

Non-Drive End Bearing Housing &#; This bearing housing supports the radial bearing and thrust bearing on the thrust end (non-drive end) of the pump. This is often referred to as the thrust end bearing housing.

Mechanical Seal &#; The mechanical seal isolates the pressurized fluid from the atmosphere. The design consists of two very smooth surfaces gliding on each other which are held together with springs. One surface rotates with the shaft, and the other is stationary. In some cases, when leakage is not an issue, (such as when pumping potable water) rope packing is used instead of a mechanical seal.

Impellers &#; Fluid is drawn in the center of the impeller in an axial direction. Then, as the impeller rotates, the fluid is forced outward, in the radial direction, due to centrifugal force.

Casing Eye Wear Rings &#; Each impeller has a casing eye ring that is built to have a very tight clearance (0.001&#; to 0.020&#; depending on the fluid being pumped) with the outside of the impeller eye. This is because there is a pressure differential between the eye of the impeller and the outside of the impeller, and the casing ring limits the leakage of the fluid back to a lower pressure zone.

Casing Hub Wear Rings &#; Like the Casing Eye Wear Ring, the Casing Hub Wear Ring serves the same purpose, but on the hub side of the impeller.

Flow Diverters &#; These help direct the fluid into the eye of the impeller. Often, these are built into the Casing Eye Wear Ring.

Throat Bushings &#; The throat bushings are made to maintain positive pressure in the seal chamber and keep contaminants away from the mechanical seal surfaces.

Throttle Bushing &#; The throttle bushing is only required on the higher-pressure side of the pump. Its purpose is to isolate the mechanical seal from the pressure of the mid stage impeller. A balance line is usually used between the two seal chambers to make both mechanical seals operate at the same pressure, even though the drive end seal is on stage 1 and the non-drive end seal is on stage 4 (in the example above). The throttle bushing is also designed to help hydraulically balance the axial thrust load of the pump.

Center Bushing &#; The center bushing is positioned between stage 3 impeller and stage 6 impeller. This means that the pressure differential between one side of the center bushing and the other can be quite high. The center bushing is designed to help hydraulically balance the axial thrust load of the rotating assembly.

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Clamping Studs &#; Attached to the bottom half and the top half of the pump case are clamping studs. These studs and nuts are torqued up to 10,000 ft lbs on large pumps to contain the pressure in the pump case.

Suction Port & Discharge Port &#; In a multistage, horizontal, axially split volute pump, the suction connection will always be in one of the four corners of the pump, and the discharge flange will always be in the middle (on either side).

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