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4. Chinese automakers are looking to Tesla for production innovation&#;to their advantage.

Chinese EV startups Xpeng and Zeekr (a Geely subsidiary) are using Tesla&#;s gigacasting production approach to cut weight, cost and manufacturing footprint by greatly reducing the number of parts that make up a car. BYD and others are also borrowing from Tesla&#;s modular vechile design principles to make similar reductions and speed up the production process.

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Gigacasting is the process of using massive high-pressure machines to cast much larger, more complex pieces of an EV body in single pieces, eliminating many steps in stamping and welding and reducing the manufacturing footprint.

Mathew Vachaparampil, CEO of engineering consulting firm Caresoft Global, gave several examples of how Tesla-style modular architecture is reducing costs. Caresoft does 35-40 vehicle teardowns each year for research purposes. Some findings:

Unlike legacy vehicles, the body-in-white of the Tesla Model Y built in Austin, Texas, has no discrete floor; the floor of the vehicle is the battery.  The body-in-white weighs 333 kilos, versus legacy automakers&#; 458 kilos.

With gigacasting in the back and front of the vehicle and battery-as-floor, the Tesla gets 14% better range, 10% mass reduction and has 317 fewer parts than a similar legacy vehicle.

From the Tesla Model 3 to the Model Y Austin, Tesla has reduced total parts by 63%, to 141 parts.

Tesla&#;s design for its next-generation vehicles divides the body in white into two parts that are assembled in parallel rather than a serial assembly line; builds up the interior from the battery floor rather than after the vehicle is assembled; and paints as the final step--saving on labor and painting costs.

Chinese startups have resources for gigacasting, as they are starting from scratch on their manufacturing footprint, not having invested billions of dollars in stamping and traditional tooling equipment. However, legacy automakers including Volvo (a Chinese-owned company), Toyota and Volkswagen have also been looking into the possibilities of gigacasting. In November, General Motors purchased a Tesla gigacasting partner, Tooling & Equipment International (TEI).   

Of the legacy automakers, Toyota is probably furthest along at adopting Tesla&#;s methods. &#;There&#;s a lot of learning, back and forth, but I was really struck when the news came out that Toyota, not on a low-volume or low-cost car by on the Lexus, is going to look at moving to the Tesla production system," said Dziczek. "You know, the [Toyota Production System] is a holistic system. It&#;s not just production and design, it&#;s about management, it&#;s about quality. It&#;s about a billion other things. And to me, this combination of Tesla&#;s design and speed with Toyota quality and efficiency could be an absolute juggernaut. And then you have the Chinese coming very fast on their heels, adopting everything, moving fast and changing all the time.&#;

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I would consider all cars available in the segment if I were car shopping and not exclude any cars for something as trivial as the country of origin. Rather than giving into meaningless jingoism and rhetoric, you should be getting what suits your requirements the best, whether it is now or later irrespective of whether it is a car that you are getting or something else.

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100% yes. China - as a country - is becoming the emperor of EVs. They lost out on petrol & diesel cars, but then bet the house on EVs. And it shows. Just drive the MG ZS EV or the BYDs and you'll see how sorted they are. Their expertise in EVs shows.

Personally, I don't support CBUs and am glad that India has stiff make-here-to-sell-here custom duties that encourage local manufacturing. MG India employs thousands of Indians & has made investments in India. Why would I not buy an MG?

In today's truly global economy, one cannot reject a product because of where its parent is from. Go check the gadgets in your household and see how many are made in China. Do you know how many Chinese components there are in the Tata & Mahindra EVs?

It is the "Kodak" moment in photography or say "Nokia" moment in mobiles for the well established OEM car companies. How future pans out for EVs is anybody's guess at the moment. Will ICE survive alongside EV, or EV will be the undisputed King of mobility even companies are confused

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Of course! However there is no all seasons guarantee that a manufacturer(or a human being for that matter) will still be around 3, 5 or 10 years from now. I for one never imagined people would start doubting long term survival of Honda cars. Same with Jeep. I also never imagined I'd be around to see Toyota having an agreement with Suzuki to rebadge their cars when Toyota has a wide range of cars in it's portfolio globally. And people are still not very unhappy yet AFAIK with Ford service despite their exit but getting parts for an old Indica is a struggle.

It is a bit of a gamble buying from established brands too.

No, I am seriously considering the prospect of an EV from Chinese manufacturer like BYD in the future. That is the reason for starting this thread@GTO: Yes, I have made peace with that fact that China will overtake all traditional carmakers in this space. They/Chinese have invested heavily into Lithium mines across the world as well. Now, all other manufacturers are playing "catch-up". Not sure if there is an alternative in place for Lithium at the moment, I hear some stories on Na+ ion, Hydrogen fuel cells doing rounds but I am taking them with a pinch of salt at the moment.It is the "Kodak" moment in photography or say "Nokia" moment in mobiles for the well established OEM car companies. How future pans out for EVs is anybody's guess at the moment. Will ICE survive alongside EV, or EV will be the undisputed King of mobility even companies are confusedike: I own a Honda Brio and Jeep Compass so don't say that I agree with you, lot of things have changed recently including Toyota rebadging MSIL products to sustain in the Indian market without bringing the horses from their stables I know they will have their reasons, but, dont Indian consumers deserve better than the tin-can 0 star cars from India's biggest OEM?

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